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NEWS: London Ambulance Service to pinpoint mobile calls
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Blippie
2004-02-19 10:07:20 UTC
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The London Ambulance Service NHS Trust has implemented a system to
automatically pinpoint the location of a caller phoning 999 from a mobile
phone. About 750 mobile calls - about a quarter of all emergency calls -
are received by the service every day, with the caller often unsure about
their exact location.

Research has shown that improved location awareness cuts an average of 30
seconds off emergency calls.

With the new system, when a mobile 999 call is connected to the control
room, the operator can see an on-screen map of the part of London the person
is calling from, enabling them to allocate resources faster. The service is
able to receive data about the location of the mobile phone 'cell' that
transmits the call, which shows an ellipse on the operator's map indicating
the approximate location. The information details the coverage area of the
cell from which the mobile call was made, which can be between 500m and
3,750m across.

'Larger cells are typically indicative of a less populated area, with less
people in the area, so in the centre of London it's going to be a small
circle,' said London Ambulance Service deputy director of technology Quentin
Armitage.

The mobile phone positioning technology that transmits details of a caller's
location was developed last year by a working group consisting of Vodafone,
O2, T-Mobile, Orange and 3, working with BT and Cable and Wireless.

'For about five years now, landline calls coming in via BT would have data
tagged on that allowed us to look up the address and phone number of the
caller by the time they were connected,' said Armitage. 'We always seek to
make use of any technology available that will enhance our service to the
public.'

Full story:
http://www.computing.co.uk/News/1152851
rimshot
2004-02-25 04:17:48 UTC
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that is interesting technology. I know that in California we have
"Onstar" systems that can track stolen cars. I guess it only makes
sense to use it for cell callers. We have something like it on our
officers cars but they use so much memory it crashes or freezes
constantly.
Post by Blippie
The London Ambulance Service NHS Trust has implemented a system to
automatically pinpoint the location of a caller phoning 999 from a mobile
phone. About 750 mobile calls - about a quarter of all emergency calls -
are received by the service every day, with the caller often unsure about
their exact location.
Research has shown that improved location awareness cuts an average of 30
seconds off emergency calls.
With the new system, when a mobile 999 call is connected to the control
room, the operator can see an on-screen map of the part of London the person
is calling from, enabling them to allocate resources faster. The service is
able to receive data about the location of the mobile phone 'cell' that
transmits the call, which shows an ellipse on the operator's map indicating
the approximate location. The information details the coverage area of the
cell from which the mobile call was made, which can be between 500m and
3,750m across.
'Larger cells are typically indicative of a less populated area, with less
people in the area, so in the centre of London it's going to be a small
circle,' said London Ambulance Service deputy director of technology Quentin
Armitage.
The mobile phone positioning technology that transmits details of a caller's
location was developed last year by a working group consisting of Vodafone,
O2, T-Mobile, Orange and 3, working with BT and Cable and Wireless.
'For about five years now, landline calls coming in via BT would have data
tagged on that allowed us to look up the address and phone number of the
caller by the time they were connected,' said Armitage. 'We always seek to
make use of any technology available that will enhance our service to the
public.'
http://www.computing.co.uk/News/1152851
Blippie
2004-02-25 16:27:32 UTC
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Post by rimshot
that is interesting technology. I know that in California we have
"Onstar" systems that can track stolen cars. I guess it only makes
sense to use it for cell callers. We have something like it on our
officers cars but they use so much memory it crashes or freezes
constantly.
GPS technology is more appropriate for this sort of usage.

All frontline emergency ambulances in the UK are fitted with GPS tracking or
navigation software.

Cheers

Blippie
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Andrew P Smith
2004-02-25 20:47:23 UTC
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Post by Blippie
All frontline emergency ambulances in the UK are fitted with GPS tracking or
navigation software.
Really? I suggest that you may be wrong.

A few weeks ago whilst travelling across Oxfordshire (down rural lanes)
an Ambulance with its' lights flashing stopped in front of me (we were
both going the same way) and the medic got out of the passenger seat and
rushed back to ask me for directions!
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Al
2004-02-25 20:59:46 UTC
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Post by Andrew P Smith
Post by Blippie
All frontline emergency ambulances in the UK are fitted with GPS tracking
or navigation software.
Really? I suggest that you may be wrong.
A few weeks ago whilst travelling across Oxfordshire (down rural lanes)
an Ambulance with its' lights flashing stopped in front of me (we were
both going the same way) and the medic got out of the passenger seat and
rushed back to ask me for directions!
Maybe he couldn't believe his mirrors and just /had/ to find out if you are
as ugly as you are tall? ;-P

GPS can be a bit iffy sometimes, particularly with trees, mountains,
Godzillas and so forth blocking the way. Maybe that, maybe the batts for it
were dead, crew untrained etc -- maybe he's just an old fuck who doesn't
believe in technology. Maybe he wanted a hug. But your story doesn't
necessarily negate Blippie's.
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Al
Andrew P Smith
2004-02-25 21:19:05 UTC
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Post by Al
Post by Andrew P Smith
Post by Blippie
All frontline emergency ambulances in the UK are fitted with GPS tracking
or navigation software.
Really? I suggest that you may be wrong.
A few weeks ago whilst travelling across Oxfordshire (down rural lanes)
an Ambulance with its' lights flashing stopped in front of me (we were
both going the same way) and the medic got out of the passenger seat and
rushed back to ask me for directions!
Maybe he couldn't believe his mirrors and just /had/ to find out if you are
as ugly as you are tall? ;-P
GPS can be a bit iffy sometimes, particularly with trees, mountains,
Godzillas and so forth blocking the way. Maybe that, maybe the batts for it
were dead, crew untrained etc -- maybe he's just an old fuck who doesn't
believe in technology. Maybe he wanted a hug. But your story doesn't
necessarily negate Blippie's.
I never said it did you wannabe Merkin.

What are you up to these days you old git? Don't seem to see that much
of you these days which is a real boon for us lot!!!!

Cheers
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Blippie
2004-02-26 10:41:05 UTC
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Post by Andrew P Smith
Post by Blippie
All frontline emergency ambulances in the UK are fitted with GPS tracking or
navigation software.
Really? I suggest that you may be wrong.
A few weeks ago whilst travelling across Oxfordshire (down rural lanes)
an Ambulance with its' lights flashing stopped in front of me (we were
both going the same way) and the medic got out of the passenger seat and
rushed back to ask me for directions!
GPS isn't the by-all and end-all. Local knowledge is still important.

Some systems will have a nice lady saying "turn left here", etc.
Some will have a moving map display that can pinpoint a house to it's exact
location.
Some will have both.

Sometimes neither work.

Cheers

Blippie
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Andrew P Smith
2004-02-26 18:47:25 UTC
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Post by Blippie
Some systems will have a nice lady saying "turn left here", etc.
Some will have a moving map display that can pinpoint a house to it's exact
location.
Some will have both.
The Ambulance service in Manchester have (or has) such a system with
spoken directions in their fast response cars - it seemed to work well
allowing the driver to concentrate on the road without having to look at
a screen.
Post by Blippie
Sometimes neither work.
Indeed.
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Blippie
2004-03-07 09:57:35 UTC
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Post by Andrew P Smith
Post by Blippie
Some systems will have a nice lady saying "turn left here", etc.
Some will have a moving map display that can pinpoint a house to it's exact
location.
Some will have both.
The Ambulance service in Manchester have (or has) such a system with
spoken directions in their fast response cars - it seemed to work well
allowing the driver to concentrate on the road without having to look at
a screen.
We have trialled this in our ambulances and found that the system had
difficulty in "keeping up" with our emergemcy journies through an urban
area. (It's potential did come to the fore on long distance transfers and
over boundary retrievals.) Our service opted for a "moving map" display on a
mobile data terminal.

We currenmtly have a new version that combines both features fitted to a
RRV. I was the person to use it, but it wasn't working properly! It hadn't
been optimuised properly, but I am told it is now fully functioning. It
promises alot, but whether it delivers is another question.

... £4,000 computer or £4 map book?

Cheers

Blippie
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rimshot
2004-02-25 04:20:14 UTC
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Um..that would be crashes the computers....not the cars....
Post by Blippie
The London Ambulance Service NHS Trust has implemented a system to
automatically pinpoint the location of a caller phoning 999 from a mobile
phone. About 750 mobile calls - about a quarter of all emergency calls -
are received by the service every day, with the caller often unsure about
their exact location.
Research has shown that improved location awareness cuts an average of 30
seconds off emergency calls.
With the new system, when a mobile 999 call is connected to the control
room, the operator can see an on-screen map of the part of London the person
is calling from, enabling them to allocate resources faster. The service is
able to receive data about the location of the mobile phone 'cell' that
transmits the call, which shows an ellipse on the operator's map indicating
the approximate location. The information details the coverage area of the
cell from which the mobile call was made, which can be between 500m and
3,750m across.
'Larger cells are typically indicative of a less populated area, with less
people in the area, so in the centre of London it's going to be a small
circle,' said London Ambulance Service deputy director of technology Quentin
Armitage.
The mobile phone positioning technology that transmits details of a caller's
location was developed last year by a working group consisting of Vodafone,
O2, T-Mobile, Orange and 3, working with BT and Cable and Wireless.
'For about five years now, landline calls coming in via BT would have data
tagged on that allowed us to look up the address and phone number of the
caller by the time they were connected,' said Armitage. 'We always seek to
make use of any technology available that will enhance our service to the
public.'
http://www.computing.co.uk/News/1152851
Blippie
2004-02-25 16:27:54 UTC
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Post by rimshot
Um..that would be crashes the computers....not the cars....
;-)

Cheers

Blippie
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